Unravelling with Shelley Torgerson
[00:00:00] Laura Lorentz: Welcome to the Empowered Essence podcast, where we liberate you and empower you to let your soul lead the way in life and business. I'm your host, Laura Lorentz sharing my thoughts and intimate conversations with featured guests on spirituality, business, and making courageous moves in the spirit of following your soul.
[00:00:21] Laura Lorentz: I want to provide you with the tools you need to tap into your highest self. I am here to empower you to walk away, feeling ready to live your most expansive and purposeful life. Let's dive in.
[00:00:35] Laura Lorentz: Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of Empowered Essence. Today I have a special guest with me. I'm so excited , this is gonna be my first guest episode in season two, and there's gonna be a lot more, and really what I wanna focus on with these guest episodes is bring to you. These women that are so soul led, that have led their lives from a place of intuition, from a place of knowing.
[00:01:04] Laura Lorentz: This guest is definitely one of those people. So today we have Shelley Torgerson with us, and Shelley is a soul led mentor and intuitive guide. Her blend of intuitive knowing her process of unraveling conditioning and mastering energy is here to bring us all back home to our truth that lives inside of us. In Shelly's presence her combination of unconditional love and honest no BS way of communicating allows you to feel loved and safe, moving through your shadows, challenges, and stepping into your highest version. Her vision for each of us is to unravel societal conditioning and come back to connection with our divine knowing.
[00:01:52] Laura Lorentz: Her work is a blend of honoring our human while coming back into relationship with and recognition of our soul. Oh my gosh, I got chills, just reading that because Shelly is someone that I met through a mastermind, but I have also been a client of hers. What she does is absolute magic.
[00:02:14] Laura Lorentz: Just pure, magic. So Shelley, welcome to the show.
[00:02:18] Shelley Torgerson: Hi. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.
[00:02:22] Laura Lorentz: Aw, this is awesome. And this is actually your first time being on a podcast, is that correct?
[00:02:28] Shelley Torgerson: Being a guest on a podcast of someone else? I started one myself before we started working together in the Mastermind, and it went on hiatus for a little bit.
[00:02:36] Shelley Torgerson: So yeah, it's my first time being a guest on a podcast.
[00:02:39] Laura Lorentz: I feel so honored to be the first, so this is awesome. So tell, our audience a little bit about yourself and why unraveling, why did you get into this idea of supporting people in this deconditioning process?
[00:02:56] Shelley Torgerson: It almost feels like it wasn't an option. It's something I do and have been doing forever. It's so funny cuz I think about that why? This is talking about soul led business, right? I don't actually have a good answer for you. I don't know how not to do it.
[00:03:13] Shelley Torgerson: So when I realized that I was doing this all the time with everyone, I did all the certifications, all the coaching programs, and I realized this is what I was doing all of the time. I just started getting a vision of a woman's silhouette and it all falling away, all of the programming, all of the conditioning falling away so that our soul could shine.
[00:03:33] Shelley Torgerson: That's where the term and the calling it unraveling came from and that's my why. Also, I feel like, we all have this wonderful combination of human and soul but we've all been operating from the programmed human in general, the general statement. We're coming into this time where we are feeling so called all of us.
[00:03:54] Shelley Torgerson: I feel like our souls are not quiet anymore. It's like time It's time. But we have to be willing and ready to drop some of that programming and conditioning and those shadows to move through them in order to be able to connect with our soul again in that way.
[00:04:10] Laura Lorentz: Yeah I, so resonate with that.
[00:04:13] Laura Lorentz: I feel our first 30 years up until we hit that Saturn return in our lives, I feel personally my life was living in blinders, and then all of a sudden there's this point where our soul just awakens and is no, I'm taking the reins and we need to take a look at all of those things that have gone on in your life from a completely different lens. And I love that. That to me is that unraveling process is when your soul finally is okay, I'm gonna take the lead here.
[00:04:46] Shelley Torgerson: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:04:47] Laura Lorentz: And, we're gonna get you to look at things a little bit differently.
[00:04:51] Shelley Torgerson: Do you feel like you're almost a different person? I can see where this soul, the column of light within me was always the same there, but it was like I was [00:05:00] living a different, I loved it. It was great. But a different person, different life than now. Completely
[00:05:05] Laura Lorentz: There's this transitionary period.
[00:05:07] Laura Lorentz: So around what age do you feel like you went through this process of unraveling or starting to hear your soul more.
[00:05:17] Shelley Torgerson: Oh, wow. I think I really became aware of it when I started trying to get pregnant. When I tried to become a mom. I think it was I, actually was just telling my husband the other day, the very first time I realized that I just knew things.
[00:05:31] Shelley Torgerson: That other people didn't know was when I was bartending and I had this one client who was a friend and he came in and , I would just ask him a question randomly, and he would actually, he'd be shocked. He'd like, how do you know that? And to me, I just didn't realize, everybody didn't know. Yeah.
[00:05:47] Shelley Torgerson: They didn't know these things. So I think that was like the first inkling, but when it became really online and really apparent, was probably a little bit more in my mid thirties. I became a mom a little bit older, so when I was trying to get pregnant and I was going to acupuncture, my acupuncturist actually became a mentor and started asking me questions that started awakening all of these things for me.
[00:06:09] Shelley Torgerson: So probably then 35 ish.
[00:06:11] Laura Lorentz: Yeah I, totally becoming a mom is a whole process in itself of this, becoming not only are you birthing a baby, I've said this like a hundred times but you are birthing a new version of your yourself.
[00:06:26] Laura Lorentz: You are stepping into this new role that you have never been in and it changes you. It really does. And I don't think people talk about it enough about how there's this, clear before and clear after. So , for me especially, I totally resonate with that. That was really my journey to becoming a mom.
[00:06:50] Laura Lorentz: And then once I became a mom really shifted everything. That's when my soul started speaking up.
[00:06:57] Shelley Torgerson: Yeah, it's interesting that it's the same. It wasn't just the becoming a mom, it was the journey to becoming a mom where it started. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that you said be you becoming someone new.
[00:07:07] Shelley Torgerson: I feel like having a child, I. It's almost, you're given such a choice. You're put in this place where you are, then have this mirror for every shadow you've ever had. Every trauma, every heartache every, little inch of you that you might not love is reflected back at you and we have such a choice then. So it's almost like we have this way of becoming the most us. Yeah, it's a big process of unraveling, right? That's a big process of unraveling is having children and you're deciding who you want to be for them because you want them to be the best person they can be.
[00:07:42] Shelley Torgerson: And then you're seeing all these ways that you are triggered, they're marrying you. Yeah. Everyone has a choice. Not everyone sees it that way. When you can take a moment and stop and go, oh. Maybe my kid isn't like being a brat. Maybe I need to see something.
[00:07:54] Laura Lorentz: A lot of the times I think my kid's being a brat, but no, I'm,
[00:07:56] Shelley Torgerson: no they're kids, so of course like they're going through, they're learning how to have their emotions. They're learning how to have relationships. So they have their challenges too, as their own unique souls embodied in this lifetime. But a lot of it is then what do we do with it?
[00:08:08] Laura Lorentz: A hundred percent. My kids have been my biggest teacher for sure. Even looking at my relationship to my parents, oh my gosh. That unraveling and there's just so much, relationships change, how you perceive yourself, how you interact with other people, your partner, how you interact with them and see them differently.
[00:08:27] Laura Lorentz: It's definitely a journey in itself and how, old's Milo now? He's 10. So my kids are two and three, so they're still really young. I still feel like I am still coming out of the the newborn phase.
[00:08:40] Shelley Torgerson: Totally,
[00:08:40] Laura Lorentz: and still in that busyness.
[00:08:41] Laura Lorentz: How has your unraveling or your, discovery of yourself changed? Throughout his growing up? Has there been different phases or different parts of your journey there?
[00:08:52] Shelley Torgerson: Yes. I mentioned with my acupuncturist, and one of the things she asked me when I was trying to get pregnant, she said, you know what, the information she was receiving is, you're not gonna get pregnant until you decide what kind of mom you're gonna be.
[00:09:01] Shelley Torgerson: Because I'm a doer, I like to be busy. I like to do stuff all the time and she's you're gonna have to decide what kind of presents you wanna have as a mom with, your kid. So, I started off staying home with him. It's really what I wanted. It's what I always felt I wanted, but it was such a conscious decision that my husband and I made together.
[00:09:19] Shelley Torgerson: So there was that presence with him then that was important for me then, and it, I don't mean that everyone needs to do that, but that's what I needed to do. Then when he was like three or four, I started to see how I needed to show him that I could be in my own way, who I was, and I was evolving and I was growing and I had this spiritual life and practice and helping other people and, doing what I felt called to.
[00:09:42] Shelley Torgerson: I've had to unravel a lot of the stories I had around motherhood. I had huge stories around not being able to be a good, that you couldn't be a good mom and, work and have a business. It's how I was raised. It's gone now luckily, but it was one where the practice I did of releasing it had my body like shaking [00:10:00] because it was so tightly wound inside of me.
[00:10:02] Shelley Torgerson: So that is a way I unraveled. Now that he's getting older, it's so interesting to see how much he is like my biggest cheerleader. When I told him that I got asked to be on your podcast, he was he's it's so interesting. I have a past life memory of him, where he was my mom and we were healers together and I see now how much in this lifetime, he's still that unconditional loving support for this work for me. It's unreal. I have full body chills right now.
[00:10:33] Shelley Torgerson: I think I went off on a tangent of your question of you asking how is it unraveling? How no, this howling shifted. Yeah.
[00:10:40] Laura Lorentz: This, is so perfect. I love this, kind of detour because just listening to you talk solidifies for me how magical you are and kinds of conversations, for everyone's awareness,
[00:10:52] Laura Lorentz: Shelley and I , I feel we speak the same language. There are very few people when you're going down this spiritual path or this spiritual journey, there are times when you don't know who to talk to because you see these things, you sense these things. So, Shelley was part of a conversation when I was talking about I, had a woman come to me in meditation who felt really dark and, it turned out through questioning and asking that I had a pact with her from a previous lifetime, and that we were witches together, that we were creating magic together.
[00:11:26] Laura Lorentz: And so what I had to heal personally was clearing this pact and, helping her cross over into the light. To the average person, you can't just have a conversation like that because people are gonna wonder what is going on, what are you talking about? Totally. And so I know this is a safe place with this podcast because obviously the people who are listening are meant to listen to this and hear this.
[00:11:48] Laura Lorentz: Shelley has been one of those people that has been a part of my journey and I've been a part of her journey listening to and sharing these visions or these healings, these clearings that we've done at just such a really deep level that there's, just very few people that, we can have these conversations with that either A, get it or B will hold space for these kinds of conversations. So , I think that's so beautiful that you've been already so open in sharing these visions of your past life. These are the kinds of conversations I think we need to be having more in the spiritual community is talking about these things and, bringing it to light and it's not crazy or woo or any of those things. Everyone, like the average person is probably having dreams of these things, but not necessarily knowing how to decipher them or why they're coming to them or how they make sense. Through this conscious work that, the two of us have been doing, we've been making sense of it all and really sinking into it and, allowing our souls, or allowing our intuition to speak to us.
[00:13:05] Laura Lorentz: I just wanted to reflect that back to you because it is really beautiful, the work that, that you are doing especially, and so , I wanted to, share this with everyone.
[00:13:16] Shelley Torgerson: Can I just say real quick, I love that you're sharing that on here because I feel when you jumped right into this woman, that isn't a conversation people have very often and part of what I think you and I doing this and speaking openly about this is so important. We are learning to fully trust ourselves in what we know, and by doing so, we're giving other people the permission to do the same. You sharing that openly just like that me, about the past life you about this woman that you had this contract with.
[00:13:45] Shelley Torgerson: This is the programming we want to unravel that, makes us nuts. Or we must be not mentally well if these are the things we're believing that we're seeing and that are happening to us. I believe that's purposefully been taken away from us to take us out of our power and when we can release that programming and release that conditioning.
[00:14:03] Shelley Torgerson: We all have so much power and magic within us, so I'm just so excited. You just jumped right into that. And I just wanted to reflect that back to you because I was over here going Yes, I'm clapping. Yes.
[00:14:12] Laura Lorentz: Yeah. So part of the work that Shelley and I do, we both feel very strongly about working with allies. Allies meaning ascended masters, it can be the archangels, it can be the guardians of the light. There are so many different helper beings that can support us on our spiritual evolution, our healing. Shelley, I'd love for you to share a little bit about your journey with working with allies, and I know that there's particular allies that, you work with in your healing.
[00:14:42] Laura Lorentz: So I'd love for you to share who it is that you work with in particular and, how that relationship has come to be and, developed.
[00:14:50] Shelley Torgerson: Okay. Laura you mentioned the guardians of the light, and that's who I am now aware of that I'm working with a lot of the time. Working with allies, some people call them [00:15:00] guides, I realize I've been doing for a very long time, and I used to do it mostly just through journaling, and I didn't have a name for anyone and I didn't see anyone in my mind's eye. I would ask questions and, write things down and what was given back to me in my handwriting was not even the way I would speak in my own words.
[00:15:18] Shelley Torgerson: Then you and I started, this process of actually really consciously, I think we're we both what you said in the mastermind together, in different programs together consciously working with, in looking at who am I working with, it started out with Jesus. Showing up for me when I was tapping in and asking who is my main guide?
[00:15:35] Shelley Torgerson: Who am I here to work with? He actually was showing up for me also in somatic healing work and breath work sessions. I was raised Catholic. I don't practice Catholicism anymore, but I have no issue with other people doing so. I was like, who do I think I am?
[00:15:48] Shelley Torgerson: I'm making this up right? I'm making this up. And it just kept happening over and over again. Different signs that it was probably, I knew it was real, but my mind wanted to tell me it wasn't. Then, Jesus showed himself to me and then flashed the face of a lion over his face. I was like, I had no idea what that meant.
[00:16:03] Shelley Torgerson: So of course, I went to Google and I looked that up, and the lion represents Jesus. So this is serious. This is real. I can believe this. Then I started tapping in even more in a program that we were in where the guardians of the light were introduced to me, it was explained that when you meet your guides, you are gonna know because it's going to be this overwhelming sense of love, unconditional love that you can't actually explain.
[00:16:27] Shelley Torgerson: As a parent , I know what that feels like, this is still different, to me it was different. Is it different for you? A little bit. That unconditional love feeling? It's not more or less, but it's different.
[00:16:35] Laura Lorentz: When I work with the particular guides, like ISIS for example, for me, if she's someone that like comes to me often, I just feel this, like lightness in my chest.
[00:16:45] Laura Lorentz: That's where I feel a shift in my chest when I know that that guide is or, almost like a hug. Sometimes I feel, tingly, lightness.
[00:16:54] Shelley Torgerson: I love that. And I would say, I think it's probably a little bit different for everyone, but it's gonna be this overwhelming, unconditional love feeling. I know my clients I work with are always like, I want that, I want it to be exactly like that. I'm like, Just do the thing and see what happens and trust it.
[00:17:06] Shelley Torgerson: So back to tapping into them, I got that feeling unbelievable. When I called them in, when I called in the guardians of the light, this unbelievable, overwhelming sense of love. I just started to sob a happy sob. the emotion was so much and so I started calling them in and asking them for help and guidance every day.
[00:17:24] Shelley Torgerson: When I do my own grounding, protecting, and clearing each day, I would also then call them in and in the beginning it was just them like working with my light column. They're bringers of Christ consciousness and light that is really. How I would explain, it's all love and light and, I'm not saying love and light is all there is darkness and we're meant to have both.
[00:17:41] Shelley Torgerson: What they are about is love and light. Re bringing back the idea of Christ consciousness and infusing more light into the world. So they were doing that with me. Then one day in the communication back and forth, they said, we're meant to work through you to bring this light to other people too, and you're ready.
[00:17:57] Shelley Torgerson: I didn't do anything necessarily with it immediately, but then I had a one-on-one session with a client and in that session they said, now's it. And I'm like okay, let's do it. They came through and they clear stagnant energy in your body, like in your energy meridians of your body and then really infuse a lot of light into the space.
[00:18:17] Shelley Torgerson: It's been a little bit different for each person. I know you know that from your practice too. I've also been a client of Laura's and so is my husband. It's amazing. What everyone needs is different. I think that's the amazing thing about working with allies is it's not this one way only that we operate from, each person gets exactly what they need.
[00:18:33] Laura Lorentz: I truly believe, when you work with the allies, when you're doing a healing session, that person's higher self and those allies kinda get together and they, this is how I envision it.
[00:18:43] Laura Lorentz: They get together this chat in the upper realms and they say, okay, this is what I need. This is what I'm here to deliver and then they deliver it.
[00:18:50] Shelley Torgerson: Oh my gosh, I love that.
[00:18:50] Laura Lorentz: That's how I envision it in my mind because, that is so, cool and, I have also been a client of Shelley's and, you have this beautiful way .
[00:18:58] Laura Lorentz: So your sessions are conversation and dialogue at the beginning, and it really gets your clients opened up to conversation, open up to what's going on in their life, opening up to you as a person, opening up, just whatever, comes up. You have beautiful ways of questioning and getting people to, open up and, think. Then you bring in the guardians of the light and it's almost this beautiful, cleansing this beautiful ceremony of sorts.
[00:19:26] Laura Lorentz: I think that it's, a very magical experience and then conversation to debrief after. I do feel like there's like a conscious part of your, sessions where the person understands what's going on, but then there's so much, I think subconsciously that's going on that the guardians of the light are working and, your clients might never notice or might never know, there's so much going on beneath the surface because I know afterwards, after my session with you that there was a lot of shifting and, changing in my life that I saw over the next week or so.
[00:19:58] Laura Lorentz: I knew that was as a result, in a [00:20:00] beautiful way. Things coming to the surface, things bubbling up that might have been unconscious or within my subconscious that it was time to bubble up and, release and, let go.
[00:20:09] Shelley Torgerson: Thank you for telling me that. Oh, it makes me so happy.
[00:20:12] Shelley Torgerson: I've realized that so much of what I'm here for is that reverence of human and soul. I, know there was a time, for me, when this work was new and so interesting, like years ago, you get so excited about the spiritual aspect of it that you could stay all focused there.
[00:20:27] Shelley Torgerson: We are still incarnate, we are still humans, and with the sessions, that was the instruction I was given from the allies was, this is also about them being human and they have control and power and, discussing everything. It is just as important as the clearing, it could just be the clearing and the light infusion for sure.
[00:20:45] Shelley Torgerson: There would be shift and there would be change, but that's taking the human out of the equation, which is okay sometimes too. It doesn't always but that's how these are meant to be for right now, at least.
[00:20:54] Laura Lorentz: When, we hear the term unraveling, or at least when I hear the term unraveling, it's this unbecoming or this falling apart. That's, what I think of when I hear that term. I'd love to know, your perspective because when I hear that or I know when I experience that sometimes, it doesn't feel safe, sometimes it can feel drastic or sometimes it can feel like a lot, what do you think is the importance of feeling safe or, what's the importance of creating that space that people can unravel in?
[00:21:29] Shelley Torgerson: It's a good question that I don't know that I have the exact answer to, other than I know that when the right people are ready, they come to me because they feel safe with me. I don't necessarily do anything that I can put words on to create a safe space. I really feel such love for everyone without judgment that I think it's safe to do there. I think people are only ready to unravel when they're unread to unravel because it is really deep. It is really deep and it can feel hard sometimes.
[00:22:00] Shelley Torgerson: For sure. Our, subconscious mind, our neural pathways want us to do exactly the same thing we've always done, because that feels safe. Even if we don't like the results that we're getting, even if we don't like our life at all. That's more comfortable than the unraveling.
[00:22:13] Shelley Torgerson: We just get to this point where we know we're ready to get uncomfortable. Then what I find happens, for me, has happened for clients is that it's uncomfortable, but you know how good it is on the other side, that when you start to feel uncomfortable, you're like, yes. Oh, this might suck.
[00:22:28] Shelley Torgerson: Oh, I don't like how this feels. Oh, I don't like realizing this about myself. Oh, I don't like that truth necessarily, but you're really excited to move through it, to work through it, to let it go to whatever it is. Because you've done this before and now you know how, this opening up, you're on the other side. Is this, freedom?
[00:22:45] Laura Lorentz: I think that's a really beautiful way of describing it. I, truly believe that too. People are not going to be ready to unravel until they're ready. I think , you personally do create a lot of safety, a lot of love and compassion.
[00:22:58] Laura Lorentz: In your spaces for people. So I think that's important when people are picking mentors and those who, they wanna work with. Coming out on the other side is this lightness. That's a really great way of describing it, you go through this difficulty and the only reason why it's difficult is because we resist it or because we have this desire to control the outcome.
[00:23:20] Laura Lorentz: I know I associated with being a high achiever and someone who was always striving to get to the next level, the next thing. For me, control was a big thing. So a big part of my personal unraveling, and coming into my spiritual awakening and all of that was, releasing control and getting comfortable with surrendering, and when you surrender, I actually feel that unraveling isn't as painful or isn't as difficult when you can do that. Because when you get to the other side, like you said, it's this euphoric feeling because I've cleared that thing that I've been holding onto, that I've been stuck with or that I've been trying to control myself, and now I don't have that.
[00:24:02] Laura Lorentz: And it was really actually controlling me at the end of it.
[00:24:05] Shelley Torgerson: Your soul is much more free. Your authentic self. Your soul, each piece that you unravel, that you drop, that you release. That's where that euphoric feeling comes from, I think. It's a little bit of more oh, this is really me.
[00:24:15] Shelley Torgerson: This is really it. I wanna say too, in the resistance and the controlling is, it's so important too when we do feel that resistance and that control to then not just beat ourselves up for the resistance That's hard too also, and I see that happen a lot where then we're now making ourself wrong because we're resisting or we're controlling.
[00:24:34] Shelley Torgerson: It's the acknowledgement. And the awareness. And then like, okay, I'm doing that again. Now what? I'm doing that again now what?
[00:24:40] Laura Lorentz: That's a good point too, is that we're always growing and we're always changing, but we always go back to like default patterns or we always catch ourselves.
[00:24:50] Laura Lorentz: The difference is the second and third time around is we catch ourselves quicker or we can give ourselves more grace for it or we can recognize it or we can move [00:25:00] through it. Also, the unraveling once you've been through like a dark night of the soul or a really big event in our lives.
[00:25:07] Laura Lorentz: Not that they get easier, I don't know if that's the right term, I feel like we can move through them with more grace. Yes. We understand. I think, about my process of becoming a mom, my journey to becoming a mom that was messy.
[00:25:20] Laura Lorentz: I was up and down and all around and everybody was thinking I was overly emotional in all of the things. It was not a graceful period in my life. Since then I've been through very difficult things that have put me in depressed states or, those sorts of things, but I've been able to move myself through them that's, what the beauty of this journey is.
[00:25:41] Laura Lorentz: This, spiritual journey is being able to lead ourselves through these with a lot more grace. They're still difficult, but we can lead ourselves differently.
[00:25:48] Shelley Torgerson: Yes. I actually just wrote a post on my Instagram about this. When you have those moments where something just hits you so hard.
[00:25:53] Shelley Torgerson: I was like, oh, this is why, this is the difference I think people see in me that they want for themselves sometimes it's not that I don't have the hard times. It's not that I have many dark nights of the soul, two weeks of crying because everything felt like it was a falling apart, but I, don't make it mean something about me. It's never actually made me feel like, there was something wrong with me or that I was broken, or I, was, it was just something I was going through that was hard. It didn't change who I knew I was at my core in my center. When we can remember that, then it's something you move through.
[00:26:24] Shelley Torgerson: It's something we're doing. It's part of being human. That duality, that contrast, It's, as far as I know, it's here to stay for right now. So if we can learn to move through that with the grace and know, it doesn't mean something bad about us because something feels hard right now.
[00:26:39] Laura Lorentz: It's not happening to us. Like a lot of the times it's happening for us to look at how am I perceiving this? What am I doing on a day-to-day basis that maybe isn't aligned with me anymore? It's that soul getting louder and presenting us with like different external circumstances that are then forcing us to change and adopt and do things differently.
[00:27:01] Shelley Torgerson: Totally. I have a question for you. So with what you said, this is what happens for me and I'm seeing this happen for clients right now too. Do you feel sometimes everything starts to feel really hard and it's falling apart and it's really because your soul is ready, it's coming online.
[00:27:14] Shelley Torgerson: It's all of like gifts, knowings, rememberings, all different things and your soul's okay now, and our human is resisting it so much that it creates so much friction that it feels like everything is wrong. Yeah. When what I found is then when I can go into what it is I've been being called to, that I've been resisting, it all just falls away and dissipates and things start to be smooth again.
[00:27:34] Laura Lorentz: A hundred percent. I even feel this, journey of birthing energy, weaving, so there was this period in the first couple of months of a lot of nervousness about bringing it out into the world, sharing what I was doing and, then I had about a two month period where it was great.
[00:27:49] Laura Lorentz: I felt comfortable talking about it and sharing with people, and people were coming into my space. Then there was another little contraction where I was up leveling and, my modality was changing. So it first came to me as a clearing modality, a way to clear people's energy, but then it started morphing into this activation work.
[00:28:09] Laura Lorentz: Then I went into this contraction state because I was, how do I communicate that now to people? Because it's changing and it's evolving. Yeah. So there's these periods of contraction and then expansion and contraction and expansion. For me personally, these last six months, me getting comfortable in this contraction state has been huge first and foremost, because it's always gonna be this like contraction and expansion in our lives and these cycles.
[00:28:37] Laura Lorentz: I think what ends up happening, this is my observations over the last few months, for me personally is that these contraction phases don't last as long. When we start like sinking into it and getting comfortable with it, it's like you've got these like smaller cycles that are happening more regularly.
[00:28:54] Laura Lorentz: Then you get comfortable with it. It's okay I know what I'm going through. I'm going through an upper level. I'm going through sinking deeper into my magic. I'm going deeper into my soul, whatever it is. It's just like allowing these phases of expansion and contraction to just happen.
[00:29:09] Shelley Torgerson: That makes perfect sense. I love that. Yeah. You start to know, for anyone listening who is in the beginning of this and what the f is happening to me, hope this is is helpful to hear us talk about what we've gone through in the beginning.
[00:29:21] Shelley Torgerson: Not even in the beginning, somewhere in the middle of all so much coming online for me of my own abilities. Maybe it doesn't matter when time wise, a year and a half ago or something, I actually would get nauseous and I thought, I wasn't sick, but I had like motion sickness and it was this resistance to moving forward that was actually showing up in my body as, like me standing on a bridge that was moving.
[00:29:42] Shelley Torgerson: When I actually went into a ceremony of walking across the bridge with who I, my mentor that I was working at the time and going through the next portal, it went away instantly. I had been motion sickness for two weeks, instantly gone. Instantly. You can't make this up. It was so cool and [00:30:00] amazing, and now I know if I see all that way to check, oh.
[00:30:02] Shelley Torgerson: So that's what my point is for people listening is you'll start to know and it won't feel as hard and you'll like it more. Like we were talking about, you're gonna wanna get to the other side because you start to recognize what's going on for yourself.
[00:30:12] Laura Lorentz: That's, what it is. It's, very much a journey and an evolution.
[00:30:14] Laura Lorentz: If you look at your life as like evolution and growth over a lifetime, it takes a lot of pressure off of wanting to know or wanting to develop your spiritual gifts or all of the things like we just want, this instant gratification right now. Totally. When we can take the pressure off ourselves and I agree, these are important conversations for people to hear because it's messy. When people show up on social media, they're coming to you from a place of, okay, I figured it out. I know where I stand. I can confidently communicate it with you. Those processes before that, what did that look like? What did that behind the scenes look like?
[00:30:52] Laura Lorentz: That unraveling process that unbecoming, that identity death. It's so funny, I look at myself four or five years ago, I was climbing the corporate ladder and I wanted to be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. That was me. That was my path. Now I'm having these conversations with you.
[00:31:10] Laura Lorentz: I just think it's so mind blowing and, so cool at the same time that we can literally transform and rebirth ourselves. Yes, there's pain and yes, there's difficulties and unraveling and all of the things, but the coming out on the other side and it's not really even coming out on the other side cuz there's still gonna be growth and evolutions from there.
[00:31:31] Laura Lorentz: It doesn't end, it's like making friends with that and being okay with that. I, don't think a lot of people have the courage to live a life like that. I think it takes a lot of courage for the work that you and I do, for the work that obviously the people who are listening to this do, to go through these deaths and rebirths and, being okay with being different than who once were, or different from society or, those sorts of things. Yes. How has your relationships changed or how people in your life, how do they perceive the work that you do?
[00:32:03] Shelley Torgerson: Okay. On, I wanna tell you one more thing before you answer that.
[00:32:05] Shelley Torgerson: I wanna really bring up something that I feel like is so nuanced in part of what you were saying that has been such a, helpful catalyst for me moving forward is that, Because the work I'm here and you are here to do that we're both here to do, is to guide people back to living like a soul led life right to from their authentic self.
[00:32:23] Shelley Torgerson: I feel that is going to then bring the most fulfillment, the most ease, the most joy, the most excitement. All of the emotions we want, the most inspiration. All of these things, the more soul led, we, I have full body chills. The more soul led we are, the more that comes. So when, we're looking at it that way, we're thinking, okay, if I'm just going to be the truest me, it shouldn't feel scary.
[00:32:43] Shelley Torgerson: What I have learned is that I have to move with fear every single day, sometimes. Every single day, it's okay. If it feels scary, that doesn't mean it's not soul led because we are unraveling, we are undoing all that was before. So it's different and change feels scary. So I don't know, it felt important for me to also say that part about that moving with the fear.
[00:33:01] Shelley Torgerson: You start to know the difference of what if it's fear because something bad's actually gonna happen to you, or if it's fear just because it's change.
[00:33:09] Laura Lorentz: I would much rather live in fear of doing something different or that change than to be bored in my life, any day. There's some people that, would not like that, and so it's perfect.
[00:33:20] Laura Lorentz: Yeah, exactly. It is perfect for whatever it is that you feel comfortable with. There are different points in your life too, that you are more comfortable moving with fear than others too. So there could be times where it's okay, I just wanna live and enjoy the day-to-day moments.
[00:33:36] Laura Lorentz: The everyday life. Then there are other times that you want to be on this accelerated growth trajectory. And so whatever you feel right now is perfect for you.
[00:33:44] Shelley Torgerson: Totally. Are you ever bored? I am never bored, ever. When my 10 year old is I'm bored. I'm like, that's not you. .
[00:33:50] Shelley Torgerson: I'm never, ever Bored, ever.
[00:33:52] Shelley Torgerson: There's a book that my daughter reads, it's called Dear Girl and, there's like a line in the book that says you know what's boring is when people say that they're bored. So when my daughter says that she's bored, I always reflect that back to her. And she's
[00:34:05] Shelley Torgerson: I love it.
[00:34:06] Shelley Torgerson: I love it. Okay, I'm sorry I had to go on that little tangent to add to what you were saying. You were asking me about relationships changing. Do you want me to go there still? Yeah, sure. That has been an interesting, and I'd be curious how it's been for you. Have we talked about this before?
[00:34:19] Shelley Torgerson: I would think we have, but maybe not. The closest relationships in my life, with family, have stayed great and or gotten better for the most part. The deeper I come into my knowing, the more my acceptance of everyone and everything has allowed my family relationships to be that much more loving.
[00:34:37] Shelley Torgerson: And I've always been close with my family. I'm the oldest of four children. My mom and dad are divorced, but they didn't get divorced till I was like 28 years old. So we I, don't have any major childhood stories to tell you, of things that I've gone through. As we became adults with all different opinions, there were more conflicts.
[00:34:51] Shelley Torgerson: This work has really, I think also it has allowed my light to be that much brighter, that there is not the opportunity to[00:35:00] come at me. I don't know how to explain it really.
[00:35:02] Laura Lorentz: It's unseen boundaries and, you're emitting love, like you're emitting that frequency to people.
[00:35:08] Laura Lorentz: I feel that,
[00:35:08] Shelley Torgerson: yes. I really have come to know. That almost everyone. Not everyone for sure, but almost everyone. So just talking about my family, the reasons they're thinking and wanting and doing the things they're doing are from the same reasons. I am love, wanting goodness for people. I might not agree always, and that's okay.
[00:35:25] Shelley Torgerson: They don't have to agree with me. How boring would the world be if we all agreed on everything. Boring, were back to boring. That would be boring. Outside of my family, my friendships have changed a lot. Because I have changed a lot and I have moved into a different way of being, a different way of knowing a different friendships have had to fall away because my growth has been uncomfortable for people.
[00:35:48] Shelley Torgerson: That's been really hard. Other friendships have fallen away more easily without it being painful because we're just in such different places. No one right or wrong. There's a time period when it was the deepest of a dark night of the soul where it felt there's no one in the world other than my husband and my son.
[00:36:05] Shelley Torgerson: And that's okay. I'm out of it now, but in that moment it was like who, understands me? Who knows? We've been talking about how these topics sometimes are uncomfortable for people or weird. I think a lot of my knowing, my claircognizance is very strong. Other Claires are, very much have been like popping online too.
[00:36:22] Shelley Torgerson: My claircognizance has been strong my whole life and when all of a sudden though, in this dark night of the soul, it was like the veils dropped around me everywhere. I don't know, you just, there was this period of aloneness that I think had to happen to come back into myself even more, if that makes sense.
[00:36:36] Shelley Torgerson: Yeah. husband is on board with all of this. He thinks it's amazing. So that's fortunate for me. He doesn't think anything that Laura and I say is weird ever. He's yes. So that's nice. My son also is 10, but he is on board with it all. He has been seeing past pets and loved ones since he was little, so he's stopped now.
[00:36:56] Shelley Torgerson: You know how kids they push it aside, I think, and then they get to our and they wanna bring it back, so none of this feels strange to him at all.
[00:37:03] Laura Lorentz: Thank you for sharing what you shared because I know that's something that's so common a lot of friendships and relationships falling away to create space for this, change and growth and transformation that we go through.
[00:37:15] Laura Lorentz: I think it's so, cool that your husband is so on board with this and he's on his own growth journey as well. I, think that Isn't always the case. Definitely not. One partner is moving at a different rate than another partner. Or even at different points, you probably were at different points earlier on, maybe in your journey.
[00:37:35] Laura Lorentz: Now your husband is at a point where he's super accepting and, open to it. I think that's so beautiful to have that support and, understanding. It's beautiful to witness to see the two of you for sure.
[00:37:48] Shelley Torgerson: To say not in the same timetable.
[00:37:50] Shelley Torgerson: There's been times that I've felt I'm pulling him along with me and you have to remember not to do that. He just never thinks we're weird. He just thinks it's cool. He's very accepting whether he's gonna do all the same work himself. No, he has his own path. He thinks we're cool.
[00:38:02] Laura Lorentz: Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. My husband doesn't fully get it. He's accepting of it. If this makes you happy . He's so how do you see a spirit ? That's where he is at right now.
[00:38:12] Shelley Torgerson: Wait, till it happens,.
[00:38:13] Shelley Torgerson: Yeah. Then it does.
[00:38:14] Laura Lorentz: I think it's so cool. We've been dabbling with our cosmic human design lately. I, was telling him about, how I was talking about the tropical human design, which is what a lot of people know and understand today. But there's also the, Sidereal human design or cosmic human design.
[00:38:30] Laura Lorentz: I was telling him how so he's a mani-gen in tropical, but then he is a generator in sidereal and he has a lot of more spiritual channels, in his sidereal. I was , see, you are probably more connected than you wanna, give yourself credit for right now.
[00:38:47] Laura Lorentz: Oh, and he's an emotional authority too in sidereal . So I, thought that was funny cuz he's very stoic individual right now in this incarnation.
[00:38:56] Shelley Torgerson: I'm so interested and curious about the difference in that. And you're a, projector, but then a, is it a generator? Inspir,
[00:39:01] Laura Lorentz: a Mani-Gen
[00:39:03] Laura Lorentz: Which makes sense to me because I am an energy projector, so I haven't always fully resonated with the whole projector need for rest cuz like I do have a lot of this buzzing energy about me and I always love the Mani-Gen energy. So yeah it, all makes sense to me.
[00:39:18] Shelley Torgerson: I listened to a podcast at some point where they talked about that the tropical is your human self and that your citarel is your soul and you need to move through and live that human design to bring the soul online. Which I thought was interesting and when I look at mine, it could make sense like because I'm a mani gen in tropical, but a manifester in citarel and I resonate with both so much.
[00:39:42] Shelley Torgerson: My incarnation cross as a manifester man, that actually resonates for me more. So anyway, I know we're not talking Human Design podcast, but I know you use it, work with it. Yeah.
[00:39:51] Laura Lorentz: No I wanna do an episode on like the differences between tropical and citarel, because I think that's important for people to, know.
[00:39:58] Laura Lorentz: And it's been part of my, [00:40:00] personal unraveling too, is understanding that and associating with different labels for ourselves too. Totally. This is such a nice conversation. I, always love connecting with you. You literally are the embodiment of love and light, and I just, I always have so much fun chatting with you.
[00:40:19] Laura Lorentz: So how can people reach out to you? How can they get connected with you?
[00:40:22] Shelley Torgerson: First thank you for saying that. I love talking with you too, so much. I would talk to you for hours and hours. So the best way is probably Instagram, which is just my name Shelley Torgerson is my handle. So it's S h e l l e y and then. T o r g e r s o n.
[00:40:35] Shelley Torgerson: Then my website is the same. It's shelley torgerson.com, but I spend most of my time on Instagram.
[00:40:40] Laura Lorentz: That's great. What are like the main ways that people can work with you?
[00:40:44] Shelley Torgerson: I love working one-on-one with people. I love how deep we can go and how like in depth with each individual person's unraveling process and what they need because it's so different for everyone.
[00:40:54] Shelley Torgerson: So I love working one-on-one with people. I have a group program. The word to use for it. It's an experience, but it's a, which unravel, my signature offer now is taking you through the main codes of unraveling. So we go over the different ways and things that we need to work through and let go of to unravel.
[00:41:13] Shelley Torgerson: Then we have live calls and Voxer support to go through that. So you can bring your personal ways this, cuz it's, like I said, it's so different for everyone. Your personal ways that you need to want to work through that and let that go. I'm, currently in a container of that right now.
[00:41:27] Shelley Torgerson: Then am launching another one, releasing another one. I thought it was gonna be midsummer, but it might be a little more into August probably. Then the Guardians of the Light Sessions, which I have right now as an introductory offer, they are where the guardians of the light come in and work through me.
[00:41:43] Shelley Torgerson: We clear energy and your meridians that's stuck and fuse light. Also Laura was telling us earlier we actually started off by talking through basically the unraveling process of what's been going on for , and that really also helps loosen it up within your mind, which allows it then to loosen up in your body too.
[00:41:59] Shelley Torgerson: Then you have this idea of knowing what's going on before the, actual energy work happens within your body. So those are the three offers I have right now.
[00:42:07] Laura Lorentz: So. I had one of the guardians of the light sessions, and I totally agree. It's that talk beforehand just releases all of the tension or stuckness in your mind and really getting you comfortable and feeling really safe and grounded.
[00:42:22] Laura Lorentz: Before going into the energy clearing work that, that the guardians do. I, loved it. I thought it was so cool. So I would highly, recommend if anyone's interested in that to reach out to Shelley
[00:42:34] Shelley Torgerson: thank you. I love you.
[00:42:35] Laura Lorentz: I love you too. All right, thank you for being on the podcast and we'll talk soon.
[00:42:39] Shelley Torgerson: Alright. Thanks for having me. Talk to you later.
[00:42:41] Shelley Torgerson: Thank you for tuning in to today's episode of Empowered Essence. If you loved this episode, don't forget to leave a rating and review on your favorite platform. And until next time, keep shining your light.