[00:03] Laura Lorentz: Welcome to the Empowered Essence podcast, where we liberate you and empower you to let your soul lead the way in life and business. I am your host, Laura Lawrence, sharing my thoughts and intimate conversations with featured guests on Human Design Energetic Spirituality to provide you with the tools you need to tap into your most authentic self. I am here to empower you to walk away feeling ready to live your most expansive and purposeful life. Let's dive in. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Empowered Essence. I'm really excited about this conversation today because it's something that I'm just very curious about in terms of learning more. I've seen it more and more pop up on social media, friends talking about this, but it's just something that's just caught my attention and I'm just curious to learn a lot more. So today we've got Julie Hagen with us and she is a lawyer turned microdosing expert. So it is so cool and I'm so excited to dive into your background. But before we dive into that, I just wanted to share. So I met Julie online through a common acquaintance and I had heard this other person talk about her and I just got intrigued and followed her and joined her master class the other week. And so Julie led us through in her Master class, a breathwork session. And I've never done breastwork before and it was gamechanging. It literally it was like this experience that I've never experienced before where I just became so in my body and felt this power coursing through my body. That's the best way that I could explain it. It was like this energy vibrating through my body as I was like just breathing, which makes me so fascinated by the fact that our bodies, just by doing some very basic functions like breathing, can get us to tap into our inner knowings, our power, our purpose and our energy. So I think that breath work is just so cool, but without further ado, that's just a background. And so during this session, I was thinking to myself, I was like, I've got to have her on this podcast. But she actually reached out to me a couple of days after the Master class and said, hey Laura, I'm really interested in Human Design, I'd love to be on your podcast. So it was just very serendipitous that we were both thinking of each other and I'm just so excited to have you on the podcast today. So without further ado, welcome Julie to the podcast.
[02:46] Julie Hagen: Thank you so much for the introduction and I really appreciate that you reached out after the breath work session and just shared what had come up for you because it's interesting, right? Like, we are online, so maybe for us it's a little easier to make a connection and sort of open up. But when people share, it's really, I wouldn't say validating, but it helps people. My work time from the universe to me, that's my invitation to keep going. Right. To think this work is helping people. Like, I need to stick with it because as business owners, like, business isn't always easy or free flowing, but it can feel really good when you know you help someone.
[03:24] Laura Lorentz: Yeah. I call them Earth angels. It's like these people that come into our life that share these profound insights after having worked with you. And it is that confirmation, is that validation that, hey, yeah, I'm on the right path. So I'm so glad I could be that for you. I know I've had a few of those along the way as well, and it's definitely something that makes you smile.
[03:48] Julie Hagen: Yeah. I really appreciate it. I'm so excited to be here and talk. I think we both have such powerful modalities in our business, and both of them are really, like, things people become more and more interested in. I remember, like, growing up, I of course, I knew my astrology, like, at least in a basic way. Right. Like, human design was something I discovered later, and I think there's two really powerful things that are coming forth to support people in a new evolution expansion.
[04:16] Laura Lorentz: Yeah. I truly believe that whatever modality is that you're introduced at a particular point in time, like, you were meant to discover it at that time. And human design came into my life at that exact right time. And I'm sure Michael Oscar gave it to your life at the exact right time. So I can't wait to dive into that. So I would love for you to give a little bit of background on yourself, your journey, and just for the audience to get to know you a little bit better.
[04:48] Julie Hagen: Cool. Thank you. Well, I used to start my story when I first started coaching, when I was a lawyer, but I think actually now it makes a little bit more sense to go a little bit further back and come really full circle in this. But when I started undergrad, I really thought that I wanted to be a doctor, and I was very interested in neuroscience. So really what I wanted to do is get a PhD in neuroscience and go do research. But I was upset with Philosophies, like Plato the cave and the black box, like, where does consciousness come from? Like, that sort of theoretical side of it. And psychology, ultimately. Blood really scared me away from the field, and I was kind of like, what am I going to do with this neuroscience philosophy psychology degree, which is really cool. It's a unique degree to my university. It's called TMP. In a very practical way. I sat down and made a pros and cons list of what I was good at and what I liked. It's like, okay, I'll be a lawyer. So I took the Elsa, became a lawyer, and I love the higher level thinking and concepts that go into the law. I'm very intrigued by that in the same way that I was intrigued by this idea of consciousness. And I stay abreast of the law, and I practiced for four years in corporate law, but ultimately it just wasn't my passion. And I felt very disconnected from myself and that experience. And I was very anxious. Like, it's probably the best overall word to describe it. I experience a lot of ruminations, like, unable to let go of thoughts. And in my ruminations, I would always choose, like, worst case scenario thoughts. Like, literally, I called them apocalyptic thinking. Very upset from my body, I realized I left my dad at a young age, and I realized while I was still practicing that I experienced intense I experienced intense dissociation from my body as, like, a trauma response, right? And so I was, like, really unraveling all these things. And I kind of on a whim. I don't want to say it was like, on a whim, on a whim, because the pandemic had to have happened. Things would have turned out a little bit differently with my trajectory. And, like, the firm I was going to work for here in California when I quit my job in Illinois and moved to California, and I delve really deep into personal development because I knew I shouldn't like who I was being ultimately. And from there I was like, I can do this. I could post. People come to me for advice. So I got certified and regular, just, like, success in life coaching, loved it. But I had sort of a hard time translating this word into something that was super approachable for everyone because I tended to work with entrepreneurs and highlevel business owners just, like, from my corporate background. But I knew there was some way I could serve more people. And then I reached short of a personal plateau in my own growth. And I've always been a bit of a psyched. Not in a more recreational sense. I was like, no, you can do this, in a beautiful, like, intention. I was always very intentional with my psychedelic youth. Like, it was for my own healing. And I would take myself through journeys. And it wasn't like a crazy rampage, party fuel thing, but it was like, I didn't necessarily have the skills behind it. I had coaching, so, like, that definitely supported me. But I got interested in, like, trip sitting. So now I'm a trip sitter, and I can take people through larger journeys. But I was interested in, like, how can I maximize the benefits of this practice on a daily basis? Because obviously you can't go on a journey every single day, found microdosing, researched it banned in classes, created a whole program that supports the positive effect in your brain with microdosing. And here we are. It's something that so many people are loving and using. And honestly, almost everyone can benefit from the practice of microdosing. There are some groups that just really shouldn't and for whom it would not be supportive, but just the amount of people that have had amazing results through this work makes me so happy.
[08:57] Laura Lorentz: Yes, that is so cool. Your journey. What I love about what you said at the very beginning, how you really gravitated towards more of that neuroscience piece, I can totally relate to that. So when I was in university, I did my business degree, but my favorite courses in university were psychology. I loved understanding people. I loved understanding why they are the way that they are. So it's really interesting that something that you were just so naturally passionate about and gravitated towards is actually where you ended up now, which is very similar to me. Although I'm not a psychologist, I've always loved understanding people in them the way that they think and what they do. So that is so cool. So tell us more about microdosing, because I think a lot of people can be like, oh my gosh, you're doing psychedelics, that's not safe, or what are the implications of it? So can you just tell people what is micro dosing and why is it different than going on a journey or a trip?
[10:08] Julie Hagen: That's a great question, and I think it's really important at the beginning of the question to say that microdosing simply means taking a small amount of a substance, small enough that you don't necessarily feel the same effects that are associated with the substance. So you can microdose a lot of things, but you could microdose LSD cannabis or psilocybin. I facilitate with psilocybin or magic mushrooms, and it's a fraction of a normal dose that would result in a trip. So micro dosing inherently means there is no trip. And really, if you, quote unquote, feel something, you're not technically taking a micro dose. So there are different people in the field and they recommend different protocols. But the protocol I follow calls for the smallest amount possible because in my mind, when you're taking those, even a few grams more or sorry, milligrams more, you start to experience not hallucinations, but you can kind of notice something in a way that is more profound. And that, to me, is not a microdose should be a very subtle change in effect. So there kind of two ways to process it. And I found with working with my clients, some people either feel like they took a couple, they had a couple of coffee, like a nice yummy cup of coffee, and they have more energy, but it's like a clear sort of energy, their focus, you know, not jittery or on edge. They're emotionally available to the people around them and sort of like either way. It's always sort of like things to sort of roll off your back so you get cut off in traffic and instead of saying. F you it's. They really must have needed to go somewhere. If that's okay. Or the other type of experience that people tend to have is like and this. I found for people who are already pretty versed in some sort of bodily practice. Is like it's almost like an ability to deepen into their body. So for people who already meditate, you can sort of drop into that very powerful presence right away. And because it's such a small dose, because you're not feeling the effect, you can still get the positive results in your brain without feeling like you're out of control or you don't feel like yourself or anything else that people might have experienced with a trip. So if you've ever had a bad trip, I'm so sorry, I just want to let you know that's not what microdosing is. And there's no way to have a bad trip on the protocol that I recommend and use in my programs. And if you're someone out there who's scared of microdosing because it does involve psychedelics, I just want to assure you that there's no tripping involved, but there are very powerful changes in your brain. We can go into that.
[12:42] Laura Lorentz: Yes, I would love to know. As we were talking, I was thinking about questions that I wanted to ask you. So I definitely want to know what are the impacts to the brain? Because I know my first line. I'm like diving into this. So when I first discovered it, I started googling a lot. And so to understand, I've read a lot about how it changes your neural pathways, how it improves your cognitive function. So how is that why is that what's the science behind it?
[13:15] Julie Hagen: So there are three really quick I mean, there's a lot of science behind it, and I love reading research papers. I know that probably sounds like, what is wrong with this girl? But I really do. I worked in labs, in undergrad, but there's three really core concepts that I think people get to understand and hear in order to make more of an informed decision around this modality. And the first one is this idea of entropy, which is essentially just chaos in her brain. And I know that sounds bad, but for people who experience anxiety, depression, OCD or PTSD, or who are looking to maybe get a boost of creativity, our brain tends to fire neurons that wire together. Fire together, or fire together? Wire together. And we tend to experience similar connections day after day after day in nurling with the programming. In this modality that I have in coaching, I think it's like 90% of your thoughts are recycled DayToday, so you only have this 10% window to make a change, right? So that's why sometimes changing your beliefs and changing your default thinking patterns is so hard, because the way our brains currently work, it just we default back to the old way of thinking. So for people with those experiences I mentioned, like, anxiety and depression, what happens is we develop really I say we because I have had a lot of experience with anxiety develop really deep ridges in our brain. So not only do we go toward worst case scenario thoughts and thoughts that are supportive, but it becomes easier and easier to do that because it's almost like water creating, like, canyons. It just gets deeper and deeper and deeper than Grand Canyon. That's what our brain is like. So when we increase entropy, we're allowing for new roads to come into our brain, for new pathways, for new ideas, innovation, and all sorts of senses. And the ridges kind of get smooth down. So those new neural pathways as a result of entropy is called neuroplasticity. We're creating new connections in our brain, but without the support of the tools, something like my program or other things, meditation, intentional rewiring, those new pathways aren't going to stick. I just went on a date with someone. He goes, oh, so it's like taking steroids but not going to the gym. And I was like, weird flex. But yes, that's basically what's happening. You're taking preworkout, right, and not going to the gym. And you know, you can't like in the same way, steroids aren't a magic bullet to change your body. And I just want to be very clear that I know we have a game for steroids. I just thought it was a funny example and like a good not suggestion, but a metaphor that he used in the same way. You really have to do the work to change things. That's why people kind of microdose one off. They might say, like, have a good day, but they don't really see any long lasting change. It's because they didn't do anything to make the new connection stick. But the coolest part about psychedelics in my mind and psilocybin, is the effect it has on this thing called the Default Mode Network in our brain. So the default Mode Network is a series of interconnected structures, and it's really where we find our ego, right? Those eye statements, victimization thinking about the conversation. It's like where you're in the shower and you're playing out the conversation and you're thinking, oh, I should have done blah, blah, blah, blah. That's the default Mode Network, and it's where we catastrophize about the future, ruminate about the past, all of this. So happiness research I love happiness research when I was in Undergrad, tells us that happiness isn't money, cars, relationships. Happiness is present, fully embodied in the current moment that we're having. Happiness is mindfulness. So for in the default Mode Network, where we spend 48% of our day, we're inherently not present, right? Because we're somewhere else and we're very like, self thinking and self centered. So when we can quiet the DMN, we can shut the DMN down, we can go somewhere else, we can become present, and then we're going to be more happy. So basically, most people spend half their day not happy.
[17:21] Laura Lorentz: Yeah, it's so true. Who's the typical client that you work with? Do you work with entrepreneurs, mothers? I feel like where my brain is going is like, there's probably so many people that can benefit from this.
[17:39] Julie Hagen: Yeah, I mean, that's why we have so many journeys. When I first started, it was definitely people who were really anxious and you just didn't really feel good about themselves, weren't sure who they were, didn't feel like they were able to be fully expressed trying to get their lives together, and probably have spent some time just not feeling like I felt anxious. And then I had a couple of clients. One client wanted to get off Adderall, like, ADHD medication. She didn't like the way it made her feel, but she doesn't think she could focus, and she's interested in that. I've had clients with chronic brain injuries. That was a really cool find. She is doing really well. She had been hit by a car. I'm having mothers. I have a few conversations with mothers today, actually, that's kind of a new because there are so many fun articles lately about, like, mom's micro dosing. So I think mothers are finding their ways to me, their way to me more naturally. Although I'm not a mum, but I'm sure it's really freaking hard to be emotionally available to your child all day, too, and just, like, take care of yourself. But I also have more and more entrepreneurs working with me who have their own and normally coaches coaching businesses, and they're kind of like I just feel stuck, like something just doesn't feel like it's working. So I want to figure this out.
[18:52] Laura Lorentz: Yeah. No, I love that. How do you work with someone? So how do you determine what's right for them? Because obviously, my husband is a pharmacist. So when you're prescribing something, it's based on their weight, their height. There's things that go into determining the correct dosage of whatever medications. And I look at this in a way, like a medication in some respects, because you're just trying to give them this little dose so that they're not going on a journey or a trip, and it's just, like, perfect for them. How do you determine that? How do you work with someone?
[19:36] Julie Hagen: Right? So there are so many different types of protocols, and I have found that the one that is the best is damage protocol. Paul Samus is like the father of mushrooms, and his protocol has so many things available in it, right? So they can be creatively focused. It can be focused around easing anxiety and depression. So because it's so kind of, like, all encompassing, that's the one that I choose and I gravitate toward. On the other hand, James Battimen Sam's protocol calls for the smallest dose possible, zero 1 gram. James Baddemann is really the father of microdosing. He's the one who coined this idea and started working with it. But his protocol calls for, like, zero 5 grams, which to me, that is not a microdose anymore. And I love him for bringing the practice in. I've never met him personally, but I think that's an important conversation. And he has had the conversation, but to me, that's just like it's too much. So what I will say is that the protocol I work with in my program is so small that it is definitely okay for everyone. I'm not a very big person. I've had clients that are like 5ft tall and slender, and it's totally okay. They don't have an adjustment. What I will say is, when I first started doing this work, I have an ex boyfriend who is also a business partner in a different area of my business, and he wanted to try microdosing, and he's a sick dude. Are you six? Four. And so I started him on Sam's protocol. It also worked for him, and he didn't have to take more than, like, one capsule, which just has a .1 gram. But theoretically, if I was working with a bigger person, we could talk about increasing it based on body weight, maybe .2 grams. But the point 1 gram is always safe, and that's why it's always been effective, no matter if you're like, a larger person, like my biggest boyfriend. So it works. It works for everyone. And it's also very low so that no one's going to trip.
[21:31] Laura Lorentz: Yeah. So I'm assuming it's safe to go to work, to drive, to do all of those sorts of things.
[21:38] Julie Hagen: Yeah, it's much less noticeable for me. Benadryl really puts me in a weird spot. I get a little weird on Benadryl, but it's much safer than taking a Benadryl. Yeah, I understand. Maybe some confusion or misconceptions around it totally. Because unfortunately, this has sort of become like a there is like a counterculture narrative around and a party narrative around it, but it is so, so safe. You are completely faithful about your day to have conversations, to care for your children, because you're not ever getting to the point of feeling like, oh, I took something. Right. Which is where you kind of are on Saturday. And protocol, which is like, to me, not the point.
[22:24] Laura Lorentz: So the one thing that I wanted to go back to, it was something that you said earlier when you're introducing yourself, is you talked about how you weren't in your body a lot of the times, and a couple of minutes ago, you talked about how this really helps you get into your body. Can you explain to people why is it important to be in your body and what that means?
[22:50] Julie Hagen: Yeah. So what I found most interesting about the mind body connection is that trauma is stored two ways. Right. It's not enough to do mindset work. And that's where I think the coaching business is sometimes is missing the mark because we can talk about our story and our trauma, and we can heal it, and we can do the air process in NLP and we can do all these things. But until we begin to also heal our bodies and become president in our bodies, the trauma isn't actually gone. It's still there and it's still affecting us. So that's why people like, you know, can go to coaches and go to therapists, but unless they're actually doing something that's integrating the healing in their bodies in a way that brings presents back, then it's not really effective. It's kind of not even really worth your time because you're just letting things ruminate and stick in your body. And so I was on a mentors tell me body leaves might follow. And it's so true. Our bodies are so intelligent, our minds are also intelligent, but unfortunately, because of the way they come prewired, they're not always necessarily supportive and we get to be active in the rewiring process. But I'm always and maybe this is also because I'm a senior projector, I'm always the most powerful when I can just take an inhale and exhale and trust my body and the instincts that comes first. The first premonition from my intuition without like, over analyzing it, your body is really smart and that's where our innate intelligence is and we get to come back into our bodies in order to follow that. So I found that like, when I realized, oh my goodness, I dissociate hardcore. I was on this road trip. Thankfully, I wasn't driving. My friend was driving it completely sober. And I had this experience where I was like, I felt like a little person in my body and I was like, seeing my life. Like, I was not in control of the driver's seat at all. And I was like, what is happening to me? And it wasn't like a mental breakdown, but it was like this very overwhelming sensation of like, I don't belong in my body. Like, my body isn't mine, I'm not here. What's happening? What is life? And then I realized I can trace memories back in childhood after my dad died, where I would just disassociate whenever I started to feel uncomfortable because that's how my body and my mind kept me safe after this very traumatic experience at such a young age. That's why when I found breath work, I was just so excited because it makes your body feel good. And I had a lot of body image issues, like, I ate for comfort after my dad died and food was a weird thing for me. So it was just like a lot, it was a lot feeling like, I don't like the way my body looks, I don't feel comfortable in my body, I'm not actually in my body. And so these somatic experiences have allowed me to really transmute that into, like, not only feel good about my body and to own my body and to care for my body, but when I get in a really good breath session or when I go to hot yoga and I'm so, like, connected and in the flow. I just like that's when I feel my most amazing.
[25:54] Laura Lorentz: Yeah. So I relate to this. So I would always disassociate for my body. It's not specific to any of the energy types in human design. I think anyone, regardless of your energy type, can do that. But I think projectors, especially when we get into this, like, hustle mode, so I found in undergrad is probably when I noticed it the most, or at least when I became aware of what I was doing. Because you're forcing, you're hustling, you're pushing, you're doing things that are just so, like, against what it is that you are here to do and here to bring to the world and how you're meant to operate. And so when we're doing these things, whether it's trauma or whether it's just how we go about our lives, we just disassociate with our body. And for me, regardless of the modality, for me, human design really allowed me to tap back in to understand, okay, my body is communicating to me at all points in time. And so I'm an emotional authority, so I've got my emotions and feeling my emotions, I would often just repress emotions and just disassociate so that I don't feel it. But then I also have a defined spleen, just like you. So it's like tapping into what is that? Like, instinctive, intuitive knowing and that feeling in our body. And so, like, generators are manifesting generators. It's that gut feeling. It's that gut knowing that what is right and what's wrong for you. And when I started tapping into that and knowing how my body communicates to me, it was like, oh my gosh, like, game over. Of course I want to be in my body. Of course I want to be able to feel this. Of course I want to sense this. And those emotions that we ride, the waves that we ride, or those getting over those traumatic experiences, those sorts of things, we're meant to feel that in order to process it, in order to overcome it, in order to integrate it back into who we are and take the lessons and the learnings from each of those things. So I'm glad you brought that up and chatted about that because I think it's just so natural. And whatever the modality is, whether it's freshwater, human design, whatever it is, like, they're just having that way to come back to our bodies because oftentimes and also, I don't know, have you ever read Carolyn Smith books? So she's really big into energetics work and the connection between energy and body. And so I read one of her books, The Anatomy of Spirit, and that was also a game changer in terms of myself, like, understanding how when ideas and inspiration come in, it comes in through our head center, and it filters through our body, and it needs to ground itself into the ground before we can. Actually bring it to life or to manifest it. So we get an idea for a program in our business, it's like, you get the download and it's got to be able to filter through your body, ground into the ground and then come back up in order for us to actually take action and manifest in it. Manifest it. And so if you have blocked energy centers or you're not in your body, it's really hard for those ideas and inspiration to actually come to fruition in the way that you desire them to. And so that was also another turning point for me in terms of learning about like, your body and how important it is in addition to like the spirit and the energetic side of things too.
[29:45] Julie Hagen: My cat who got so excited when you were talking to your house, he was like, yeah, definitely energetic. It's so funny because I think my cats are like energy like animals for me, right? Like, they really connect with my energy and can read it. And we're also interconnected or like a weird little energy family. But it's true. I actually want to go and I'm going to have another conversation after this, particularly about energetics and business because some people think it's such a a woo idea. But really when your energy is dialed in, that's what everything happened to me. It's a very practical it makes sense in a practical, scientific way. And some people just like, disregard it. But I think it's so important. I know it's so important.
[30:25] Laura Lorentz: Yes. Well, in so many common things can impact your energy. So, for example, like mothers, it's like you're putting pressure on yourself to show up on social media when your kids are free to get the background. It's like, well, your energy is chaotic, it's sporadic. Is that the right time to show up when you're feeling that way so energetics and getting behind what it is that you want to offer, there's an integrity behind that. Do you truly believe in your offers? Like, there are things that come into play that impact your energy at such a profound way that we don't always realize, but they're just common things. Like, I was talking to a client and she was so ticked off at her husband because he called her business a hobby. And I was like, do you think that impacts your energy? Of course it does. Playing with how you're showing up, it's like programming that's like running at the back of your mind that's impacting how you perceive yourself based on that. So how do you set boundaries around that? All of those sorts of things, like energy, it's that woo woo connotation, but it has such a concrete and foundational and very common mainstream impact in each of our lives.
[31:44] Julie Hagen: And, you know, as a projector, like, I can't believe I made myself do this hustle and grind thing in the law for so long because now you just say the word, like, generator and manifest generator and, like, oh, my God, I'm already tired. I already got to go take a nap. You guys just exhaust me, right? Because I've learned, like, I'm never going to be that person. I take a nap every day. I love it. I like to lay down. I'm cozy, and I still do very well in my business because I'm not trying to make myself as something I'm not.
[32:16] Laura Lorentz: Yeah, exactly. And that's what it is. It's like sitting in this confidence, this power, this knowing that when I show up, when I do the things, it is perfect for me. It is the right time for me, and my path is my own path and not others. And I think I love how you brought up, like, the nap piece, too, because I think there's, like, so many misconceptions about how, like, it's all protectors do. All we do is we just, like, take naps and rest. But it's just like, when we're on, we are so much more efficient and productive, and we do things differently because it's more about our insights and our wisdom versus building something and creating something. So yeah. So it's just a different vibe there.
[33:04] Julie Hagen: Yeah. I think I'm not output based in a way people conceive of it. I guess I could go build massive structures. Right. That's not my zone of genius. But the output I do have, the way I support and put a mirror up for my clients and, you know, guide them to their gaps and have them confront those things and heal those things. Like, that's my power, and it's not so, like, product based, right? Like, you're never going to see me create 17, I don't know, pieces of pottery or something. That's just not how I vibe it's through my zone of genius.
[33:42] Laura Lorentz: Yeah. So we haven't even really talked about your human design. I've just been so curious about your background and your history. So tell everyone. So you've already said you're a Selenic projector. What is your profile?
[33:55] Julie Hagen: Oh, I could have gone on top of my head. Okay.
[33:59] Laura Lorentz: I have pulled your charts. So you are a two four. And so what I think is so cool about that with the two four, as I've gotten to learn more about you over this last these last few minutes, is that two line is really all about a natural gift. So it's called the Hermit, but you just have this, like, natural gift that you can tap into. And to me, what it seems like is you just have this wisdom about you. You just have this way of seeing things differently and supporting people, and I just think that is so cool. And oftentimes people, the hermits have just this very unique perspective that no one else does, and I can see that in you very much. So. And the fourth line is all about community, and that's really what you're creating right now. You're building this community of women entrepreneurs, even men. I'm assuming you've supported as well.
[35:10] Julie Hagen: Yes, new men are enrolling, which is fun. I like different energies. I love to use. I love it. It's a hermit, though, because my favorite feeling is, like, being cozy at home. Yeah, I have a little bit of a hermit.
[35:24] Laura Lorentz: It's like a bit of this, like, contradictive energy where it's like, I just want to be at home and cozy and alone and doing my thing. But you also have this desire to be around people and build these deep connections with people, whether it's intimate oneonone or whether it's in a group community setting, you just desire to be around people. And my husband is actually a two four profile too, and he lost his alone time, his time at home, his space. But he has such a big group of friends and also loves those social interactions, too.
[36:00] Julie Hagen: It can be a very social bunny for sure, but I definitely need the time at home to reach out. So that's super cool. Yeah. I love the microdosing community that just keeps growing and growing and growing and tying it back all the way to the beginning. It's just so amazing when I hear people say, like, for me, the biggest one was this woman. She was one of my first clients. I took through this. She just had such bad depression and had for like a decade, and she just felt so that's how she described it was. She has this big golden retriever that she loves that she just couldn't even find the energy to vacuum. So she would go like, a month without vacuuming, all these airballs and all this stuff. And so after the first round of Microsoft and even she was like, it's just different now. I can have a tough moment, and I know that there's something on the other side. Like, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. And then round two, she messaged me and was like, this is so powerful. Thank you so much. I'm feeling so much better. And she just keeps growing and growing in that way. And that to me was like everything, because life isn't meant to be like that. It just broke my heart when she told me how awful she felt from her depression. I was like, you deserve to be happy. Everyone deserves to be happy and to feel better about themselves.
[37:10] Laura Lorentz: Yes. I love that that's such a strong mission and such a strong purpose to impact people's lives in that way. Because I do think that there is a huge mental health crisis that we have right now and looking at alternative ways versus the traditional medication, the traditional health system, because I don't believe that. And I say this with my husband being a pharmacist, but I don't believe that drugs as they are today, are always the answer. Like, I truly believe now that I've done this work, there are these underlying issues in our lives, like the way that we look at things, the way that we see things, like our conditioning. And oftentimes it just starts with us and understanding what is causing this. A lot of disease is just like, energy stuck in our bodies that we're just not allowing to release. And that literally can be through just, like, experiences in our lives. And so to have a way to have a modality that helps us uncover that, to help us understand that, to help us release that and find a way that doesn't have to go through the traditional medication route. Maybe we could go down a rabbit hole. But even birth control for women.
[38:40] Julie Hagen: Oh, my God, I felt like a crazy person. I don't like that word, but I felt nuts, though, on birth control, I hated it.
[38:46] Laura Lorentz: Yeah, like, the hormonal birth control, how much that impacts people's lives. Like, I am currently on a healing process from being on birth control. And so the fact that we put these things in our body just because, well, that's what we've been told, that's what our doctors tell us to do. That's what everybody does. It's like, well, I think people are starting to question, like, what is it that we're putting in our bodies and what is the impact of it?
[39:14] Julie Hagen: What are we giving kids? So many kids are on Adderall. Are you kidding me? That's just like, government regulated mess. That is insane to me. Like, we need to stop doing that. How powerful would it be for you? Like, taught children mindfulness and ways to sit with their emotions and feel them and process them instead of doing this. It's so cheesy. I talked about this in my story yesterday. But hurt people. Hurt people. And I know this world will change when we can let people teach people how to love themselves and heal themselves and feel better about themselves. Because then we interact with each other in a way that is beautiful and supportive and kind. Like, so much conflict that we avoided and stopped if we were just stopped avoiding this stuff and didn't like, if we gave people jewels, like, who cares about geography? I'm not great at geography. Let's just get that amount of meditation.
[40:02] Laura Lorentz: Yes, I know. I totally agree. I think about the things that I have learned over the past three to five years in terms of personal development, human design, all of the things. I can't wait to share that with my kids. My kids are one in three, so they're not quite at that age. I'm already trying to start teaching my daughter's three a little bit more about emotional regulation. But as these kids get older, the fact that we are doing this work, the fact that we are understanding ourselves, the fact that we are healing ourselves, and understanding where our conditioning lives is inherently going to impact them and it's inherently going to improve their lives because we can teach these things to our kids that we didn't have access to. And not that our parents did wrong or anything, it's just they didn't know. They didn't know these things. And now all of this is coming to the surface and we're learning and we're evolving and we're growing and we can teach our kids. And so I'm just excited to see what this next generation is going to be like as we support our children in this way that we weren't necessarily supported.
[41:15] Julie Hagen: Have you heard of epigenetics? I love that idea, right? Because to me, we go really down like a little science rabbit hole. But, like, time is everything. That one, when we can heal seven generations back and seven generations forward. Yeah. You know, I love to tell myself everyone's doing the best they can with what they have. Like, especially when my mom's really ticking me off. She loves me, she's doing the best she can with the tools she has. But it's so true when we show up in a different way, we allow other people to show up in a different way, and it's a ripple effect. It's huge.
[41:50] Laura Lorentz: Yes, I love that. So before we wrap up, I always ask clients or people on this podcast sorry, guests on this podcast, what is your quantum vision for your work? What is the highest vision that you have for your work in the world?
[42:10] Julie Hagen: Well, okay, someone I just had this conversation recently, but I have this vision when I first started going through personal development, and it's a big one, but basically I saw myself and now I see myself maybe working with these modalities of like, there's a lot to be said about MDMA research now, like, as a heart opener, and I don't facilitate with that. Because of that, in no way, I cannot get a safe source right. Of MDMA. That's just not feasible. And lots of other implications where Psilocybin is pretty like, we're good with a low aside. But anyway, I see myself facilitating conflict resolutions between, like, you know, Putin and the American President at the time, like, between warlords in Africa, like, committing genocide against different, like, groups. Because I really feel like coming back to idea for people hurt people. People just want to be heard. And, like, anyone who treats someone like that, anyone who does those sorts of things, is deeply hurt and wounded at their core. Right? Like, there's no doubt in my mind that Putin hates himself or he would not treat people like that. There's, like a need for control and something else. There's just a deep hurt in his heart. And I know people are like, you can't I don't know, there's an idea you shouldn't extend sympathy to these people and blah, blah, blah, and they're just, like, messed up in the head. I truly don't believe that. I really believe we were all created in a really divine image and somewhere along the way, something went wrong. So I see myself using these modalities to facilitate a peaceful conflict resolution where people feel heard and people feel met, and we can get over this crazy driver power to get joy from hurting someone else, because we can't feel joy and access joy in and of ourselves.
[44:05] Laura Lorentz: That is huge and powerful. I would have to say that you definitely have such a large vision, I think, out of all the guests that I've had so far on the podcast, and that's what I want. I want people this is my vision. I want people to think bigger than what they see today. I want people to just completely get out of their head and just envision a world that isn't constrained, isn't constrained by your resources today, who you are today, what is it that you desire? What is this quantum vision? And whether it's been a download or something that you've seen yourself stepping into? So I love that. Thank you for sharing such a big I love it. I know I've shared this with people that are close to my life, but I get ideas, drop downs, visions through my dreams. And I often would have these dreams where I'm speaking on stage in a stadium of thousands of people, and I just knew in my soul that these are true, that these will happen, that this will be my story. And I get these messages that, like, I'm here to heal the world, that I'm here for big things. I don't know what that looks like. I don't know how that's going to happen. And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter the how. It just matters. This, like, knowing in our soul that this is what we're here to do, and we trust the nudges all along the way. So, yeah, I just want to say that I love that. I love the big vision that you have for yourself.
[45:52] Julie Hagen: Thank you. I really appreciate that. I just really want people to hear what you said. It's not important. The how doesn't really matter because as long as we're taking the next best step in this moment, aligned action, whatever that may be, we'll get there. You don't need to stress about the how. You just need to keep because nothing else is real. Only this moment we have right now is real, and we just have to keep living in the moment, following whatever is there for us.
[46:15] Laura Lorentz: Yes, I totally agree. So how can people connect with you? How can they reach out to you on social and how can they work with you?
[46:25] Julie Hagen: Yeah, definitely. Come find me on Instagram at Julietone. Will that be in the show? No, because my name's kind of made up. First of all, I have a makeup name, and yeah. So come connect with me. Send me a message. Like, let's chat if you have any questions about micro dosing, and then, yeah, definitely. If this is something that interests you there. On my bio, you can book a call and we can talk about whether this is a great modality for you. And how about my program? It's amazing. It's built out, it's like self paced, so you can take yourself through it and you get all the information you need to get started or you can check out my website. Also, Julietobone.com and I really look forward to connecting with you and if you have any questions at all, please reach out and ask because I truly love talking about this and having conversations and I'm always here for it.
[47:13] Laura Lorentz: Yeah. No, I love that. So we both have open head and open aSNo. So we are very open minded people and so like something like this that traditionally hasn't had a positive connotation. So when we think of psychedelics, we think of hippies in the love talking to other people that are very open minded and sharing these. So for anyone who has listened to this episode, I appreciate your open mindedness throughout all of this and really embracing this understanding. This is something that could really truly benefit you. Friends, family, partners, all of that sort of stuff. So thank you so much for your time. I am grateful for the time that you've spent with us.
[48:06] Julie Hagen: I really appreciate you having me on and facilitating this conversation and so cool to like, you know, learn more about myself and learn that I'm little hermit. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
[48:20] Laura Lorentz: Thank you for tuning in to today's episode of Empowered Essence. If you loved this episode, don't forget to leave a rating and review on your favorite platform. And until next time, keep shining your light.